# How can both generator and discriminator losses decrease?

In this paper there is a plot of how the loss of gans looks through epochs.

Figure 2: These are of course averaged losses.

How can both the discriminator loss and generator loss decrease?

real_y = discriminator(real_sample)
fake_y = discriminator(generator(noise))
discriminator_loss = real_y-fake_y+1 # nicer, it is between 0 and 2

fake_y = discriminator(generator(noise))
generator_loss = fake_y


I would expect one of the losses to increase as the other one decreases. Since they use the same calculation of fake_y and one decreases -fake_y and the other fake_y. One optimizer is making fake_y less and the other optimizer is making it more.

Maybe the loss functions aren't calculated like I said.

In the widely used analogy:

In simple terms the generator is like a forger trying to produce some counterfeit material, and the discriminator is like the police trying to detect the forged items.

We can measure how good the police is by how many times out of 100 fakes he can identify the real and fake ones and the forger as deceiving the policeman out of 100 fakes.

Wouldn't that mean that if the police get better, the forger gets worse? (if using the aforementioned measure of how good they are)

Therefore we wouldn't be able to see both of them being good at the same time! But the graph from the paper indicates otherwise.

What am I missing?

• I realize that it would be less smooth but I don't understand how the two loss functions can both decrease (even when averaged). I would expect one of the losses to increase as the other one decreases. Since they use the same calculation of fake_y and one decreases -fake_y and the other fake_y. – Hadus Jun 6 '18 at 16:02